Tired After Menopause With Normal Labs | Kim Ressler

Kim Ressler (00:00)

I never felt well. I was chronically constipated. My sex life was in the tanks. I mean, it was just, it was, you know, I was perimetapausal at the ripe old age of 40. I mean, there were so many things that were going on.

Natalie Tysdal (00:12)

Imagine going more than a decade telling doctors that you just don't feel right and hearing every test come back normal and still waking up every day exhausted. Now think about a test costing less than $400 that can finally give you some answers. That's what happened to my guest, Kim Ressler, and it completely changed the way she takes care of herself. Today we're talking about why so many women feel let down by standard blood work.

We're going to dive into Nutrigenomics, the science of using your own genetic blueprint to understand what your body actually needs, from nutrition to supplements, to even how you respond to things like caffeine. Kim is a former legal publishing executive who spent 11 years searching for some solutions to her own health struggles after having her fourth child. She is now running a company that uses genetic testing.

To create personalized health plans and foundational supplements for people. Her mission is to bring this technology to everyday women, making it both understandable and here's a really key part: affordable. Hi everyone, I'm Natalie. And if you are new here, I'm a health journalist. I'm a former TV anchor who decided that I wanted to leave traditional media, and I created this show to cut through the hype and confusion and bring you clear practical health conversations.

I ask the questions that you would want answered, and I am careful to question any hype so that you can make decisions that really work for your life. I hope I am finding solutions for people every single day. If this kind of conversation helps you, I hope that you will follow or subscribe so new episodes can land right on your phone each and every week. You can also get my

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Natalie Tysdal (02:24)

thank you so much for joining me.

Kim Ressler (02:26)

Hi Natalie, it's so great to be here. Thank you.

Natalie Tysdal (02:28)

We have a lot in common. We we almost forgot to hit record because we started talking so much about having a second career and getting into something we're passionate about and how being proud of something really fuels you. So tell me what you're doing and how you got into this industry.

Kim Ressler (02:46)

So I work with something called Nutrigenomics. It's a study of nutrition based on your own DNA. And it's it's your blueprint, your foundational blueprint of what you've inherited. And why did I get into it? As we were talking, Natalie, I I retired in 2007 from the legal publishing industry. but that was also when I was pregnant with my what is now my fourth child, who is now 18. And after the delivery of her

I never felt right. I never felt good. And so I was trying everything. living in Southern California, seeing different providers. I went, you know, I it's first started with no energy, terrible sleep, terrible diet, and then then the symptoms just kept compounding. Just like s

Natalie Tysdal (03:31)

And it came out of

nowhere after your your fourth? Wow.

Kim Ressler (03:34)

Yeah.

Yeah. It did I mean, during my pregnancy they saw that some of my my thyroid numbers were a little off. So I was at the endocrinologist every month, checking it. And then but after after the delivery of her, everything went back to normal and it was never up twice or down twice of what the doctor was following. I didn't know anything about that at that point in time, but I never felt well. I mean, you know, I was I would go and they'd see, your blood work looks great. And I

But I didn't feel well. I felt so

Natalie Tysdal (04:04)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (04:05)

deflated. They weren't listening to me, but

Natalie Tysdal (04:07)

I

hear this so often, by the way, from women is I did the blood work and I still

Kim Ressler (04:12)

Yeah.

Natalie Tysdal (04:12)

don't feel well.

Kim Ressler (04:13)

Yeah. And then the this went on for eleven years of symptoms just compounding and compounding over the years. And it wasn't until I talked to a girlfriend and she said, They've told me my son's ADHD and I refuse to put him on medication. I think it's genetic. And I watched her spend $10,000 in nine months mapping the genes. And I said, You have to keep me you have to keep me posted. I want to hear what the outcome is.

They addressed they addressed a pathway. They also saw in his genetics that gluten wasn't his friend. They took him off of gluten and addressed a pathway, night and day, different child. And I was like, wow. Because at this point, I never felt well. I was chronically constipated. My sex life was in the tanks. I mean, it was just, it was, you know, I was perimetapausal at the ripe old age of 40. I mean, there were so many things that were going on. And I was just like, is this what getting older is about? And I was like,

I I refuse to accept it. when I did address my genetics, it was it was like flipping light switches back on Natalie. And I I couldn't believe it. And I was like, I thought, has this been in my head all these years? It wasn't until two years later that I had I found out I'd gone undiagnosed and misdiagnosed with an autoimmune all that time. So it wasn't in my head because the symptoms I was having are totally related. but I live pharmaceutical free.

by using my you know using my own genetics to tell me where my strengths and weaknesses are. And it's really fabulous.

Natalie Tysdal (05:46)

Well, I I've done some gene testing and I'm I completely fascinated with this concept. And I don't understand why we don't do it in traditional medicine. Like it seems like such a no-dah. Like, you know, well mom had breast cancer, so I might have a higher but there's so much more than just that, the typical things that we hear.

Kim Ressler (06:10)

Absolutely. I mean, just like that young child. If you I mean, this is why it's for the it's for generations to come, why I'm so passionate when we understand somebody's strengths and weaknesses and we can simply apply a neutrogenomic approach now. It doesn't again remember I told you that that's where I've become so passionate. I watched her spend $10,000 in nine months. And that shouldn't be the case

either. We

Natalie Tysdal (06:34)

Yeah, yeah.

Kim Ressler (06:35)

should be able to have access to this. The science is very, very clear.

Different different individuals need different nutrients and different formats with different cofactors. And it's fascinating that we can we can simplify that. I'm about simple things yield that

Natalie Tysdal (06:50)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (06:51)

turn to yield these habits. That's longevity and health span in in my opinion.

Natalie Tysdal (06:57)

So why why aren't we seeing this more often?

Kim Ressler (07:00)

it's just like you said, you did genetic testing before. And that, I mean, trying to understand it. And then one gene will say, do this, and the next gene will say, if you have this marker, don't do what they just told you to do on another. and to be able to customize for that individual.

it can be it can be very, very expensive. So that's ultimately I'm very passionate about bringing this science to the masses. So and also another thing is in in Western medicine, if their specialty is cardiology, that's their specialty, they're not also geneticists. So that it can seem a little bit overwhelming, right? But wouldn't

Natalie Tysdal (07:42)

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (07:43)

it wouldn't it be good to know? Hey, this person's predisposed and

There's a lot of mar heart markers in nutrigenomics, which is actionable genes. We'll talk about those, but that we can ultimately, when you've got markers, apply certain nutrients, it'll help it'll help the gene function at a higher capacity.

Natalie Tysdal (08:02)

Well let's let's do this. Let's talk about some examples

so that it makes like real sense

Kim Ressler (08:05)

Like.

Natalie Tysdal (08:07)

to people. Of you talked about heart issues. What are some other examples of where really helps in how you eat? I know it even the way you work out, all of those things. So give me some.

Kim Ressler (08:19)

Absolutely. Let's d well, since nutrigenomics is a study of of nutrition on based on genetics, let's let's talk about dietary. ultimately, so there's a j there's a pathway. It's called the methylation pathway. Are you familiar with it?

Natalie Tysdal (08:34)

This is I don't know a lot. This is one I know because I know I have these genes, the MTHFR gene mutation, on both sides.

Kim Ressler (08:41)

huh. Uh-huh.

Natalie Tysdal (08:43)

I have to take a methylated something. I

Kim Ressler (08:46)

Mm-hmm.

Natalie Tysdal (08:47)

don't even know really what it is, but go further. It just happens to be the one that I'm familiar with.

Kim Ressler (08:50)

Okay, so

now let me take this is my my strong suit is taking it and making it. Let's pretend you are a million-dollar Ferrari, right? You're a million-dollar Ferrari. What color are you? I'm just curious. What color would

Natalie Tysdal (09:04)

blue.

Kim Ressler (09:05)

blue? Okay. You're sitting in your driveway, and that million dollar Ferrari needs premium athletic gasoline. Would you consider putting diesel fuel into it?

Natalie Tysdal (09:13)

No.

Kim Ressler (09:14)

What would it do to the engine?

Natalie Tysdal (09:16)

It would ruin it.

Kim Ressler (09:17)

Correct. Okay.

When you've got markers on the in that methylation pathway, it is converting folic acid to the bioactive format of folate in your body, and you can't do it. So we are you are putting the so let's think about folic acid, vitamin, vitamin B9, right? It's in store-bought breads, breakfast cereals, it's fortified everywhere, but you can't take it and convert it. You're ultimately mucking up your own engine. And what methylation impacts in the body?

And I'll give you the really quick down and dirty list. Anxiety, depressions, schizophrenia, women in childbearing

years can't get pregnant, spine ebifida, common, recurrent miscarriages, chronic chronic aches and pains, ADHD. That's the pathway that I was talking about at the beginning. It imp it's it's a turn-on, turn-off switch. It impacts detox, heart health. It impacts so many different things. And the NIH says that it impacts about 45% of the population. I I would I would

strongly say I think that number is way too low. I think it's more like eighty percent. And if it's not just the MTHFRs, it's upstream or downstream with different nutrients for that conversion, just in general.

Natalie Tysdal (10:28)

Wow. And you look at the prevalence of anxiety, ADHD, all of those things that you mentioned. Wow.

Kim Ressler (10:37)

Mm-hmm. It's it can impact so many things and that it's so simple to s to understand that. And now you if you know you've got that, you just make different food choices. But

Natalie Tysdal (10:47)

Right.

Kim Ressler (10:48)

why do people why do people supplement then? Well, we supplement because food just is the the nutrient, it's not as nutrient dense as it used to be, right? And so we've got we've got to get it. We always take my genetics and we turn them into food. And I think I need like 13 cups of spinach daily, daily.

for that, for my genetic variance in that in for that MTHFR. I couldn't do that daily. I couldn't

Natalie Tysdal (11:13)

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (11:13)

eat. Yeah. So that's why understanding I can make different choices

Natalie Tysdal (11:19)

Mm.

Kim Ressler (11:19)

in food. So it's not just that. Let's let's go to caffeine. Let's talk about caffeine. We've got a gene that tells us about our body's ability to metabolize it. Did you know some women maybe they drink a lot of caffeine and they're like, I can't, I can't get some of this weight to budge.

Natalie Tysdal (11:35)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (11:35)

And well, if you're a slow metabolizer of caffeine caffeine, caffeine can actually make you hold on to weight more.

Natalie Tysdal (11:42)

Wow.

Kim Ressler (11:43)

So there's there's so there are so many genes and understanding this at a very high level, it it gives you, it tells you where to go, it tells you what to do, it saves you time, money, energy, effort, I mean, etc. That's the beauty behind understanding high level nutrigenomics and

Understanding that you are very special and there's only one you. That's it.

Natalie Tysdal (12:10)

What's w really neat about this in in my mind, and I started getting into this a couple of years ago. I remember on a walk, I was listening to a podcast, and I just started down this path of like, why do we not all do this? And what I what I find really, really cool as as a health journalist, is there are so many trends.

And everyone jumps on a trend because it's working for their neighbor or their best friend or someone else. I think I have to try keto or I have to try because it worked for them. But if your body's just not set up for that, then you're fighting a complete losing battle.

Kim Ressler (12:46)

That's that's so true. I mean so we've what we've done is we've made a diet gene matching guide because I don't believe that there's just any one single right diet. What

Natalie Tysdal (12:56)

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (12:56)

are you going after inflammation? Are you trying to lose weight? What are you trying to do? So

Natalie Tysdal (13:00)

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (13:01)

you can take your genes and and and see, hey, here's my strengths, here's my weaknesses. You know, it's just like the the person with that's really fighting high cholesterol. And you start to look and that they have they have markers on

specific genes like their APOB and their PON1. And I'm sorry, I know that sounds like alphabet soup, but APOB is the main protein component of LDL. And then the PON1 is how you how your body detoxes it. So if we can if we can see that, then we could say, hey, here's here's where you need the support. But a Mediterranean diet would be great for you. And that you know, I mean

You can hone in on what you're going after so much quicker and easier instead of guessing, guessing, guessing.

Natalie Tysdal (13:46)

Okay, so g give me h idea of how it works. Is it a a cheek swab, a blood sample? what do you do to find all of this information?

Kim Ressler (13:55)

So SNP, with SNP, we do a it's a simple at-home cheek swab.

Natalie Tysdal (14:00)

Mm.

Kim Ressler (14:01)

we use, we own our own panel hosted at a very high level lab. I am not polygenic wrist scoring you. So I am testing your actionable genes. So when I say polygenic risk scoring, they're comparing you to a population. Okay. That's not that's not what I want to do. I want to know exactly what you what where what these genes, these actionable genes.

So let's let's just differentiate that really quick so people understand. Nutrigenomics is the study of nutrition based on actionable genes. So some genes might tell you that you have a propensity to have a unibrow or where you're from. I don't care about those. I care about genes that impact you in aging: heart, detox, inflammation, immune your immune resilience, oxidative stress, vitamin D receptors, et cetera. Those are the things that are have been proven.

actionable and we can do something about. So you do this cheek swamp, then you get reports telling you. So SNP also takes it the next level. You said you did genetic testing before. Did you turn it into a solution?

Natalie Tysdal (15:04)

a few. There were a few

Kim Ressler (15:06)

Okay.

Natalie Tysdal (15:06)

things that I've the MTHFR gene and there were a few things that stuck with me where I'm like, okay, now I know. I I definitely know high cholesterols in my family. I've got whatever that is. the

Kim Ressler (15:17)

Yeah.

Natalie Tysdal (15:18)

MTHFR. I remember my my functional doctor saying, and this might make sense to you, you have she said it in a way that made me feel really cool because she said, You have the power gene. You just have to get go lift weights and your body's gonna react.

And I'm like, that's cool. So now I keep telling myself, like, I just have to go lift weights. That's gonna help me. Whatever that is, that how I react to working out. But that's

Kim Ressler (15:40)

Right.

Natalie Tysdal (15:41)

about all. There were a few things I took away from it. Now, could I study it a little bit more? Probably, but I needed someone to give me those types of tips to understand what it means to me.

Kim Ressler (15:52)

Right. So what we what we take and do with this is we take the information and we actually have the ability to custom compound for an individual on into one product. I I don't believe we should be supplement stacking hundreds of things. I've seen people t taking upwards of seventy things. I think we

Natalie Tysdal (16:11)

That's a

huge issue for people as you've just got bottles, pound bottles, and you don't know what time to take what to take, how much.

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (16:18)

Right.

So we make one foundational customized product for an individual based on their genetic results.

Natalie Tysdal (16:25)

Mm.

Kim Ressler (16:26)

And we give them the roadmap. And then we take these, we we develop a a a report. It's called the code report. It stands for custom optimization of DNA expression. and in this code report, we tell you about your strengths and weaknesses, and then we tell you exactly how we're going to formulate for you. And then we break them into categories. Genes don't play just one role.

one like just like the methylation genes, they really impact heart health and detox and

Natalie Tysdal (16:51)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (16:52)

and detox. They and genes, like I said, our body, these genes play in symphony, it's like a big symphony in our body. So we want to support at that foundational level. It's not magic. This is one single foundational product. I can make over three billion different formulas. It's literally custom compounded for the individual. So we just take it the next step than just giving you information to send you on.

that journey to go find it all.

Natalie Tysdal (17:17)

I'm curious how much and and this probably is more on the business side, how much more you're able to do because of AI? Like is there an AI component of it where you can take I I mean, I'll I'll be honest, I took my results from a couple of years ago, I put them in, I'm like, help me understand this. Like, is does that help when you have all these numbers and all of this and coming up with formulas?

Kim Ressler (17:38)

That is a great question. We are currently, do we use AI for certain things? Yes, but all of our reports were created by humans. They were

Natalie Tysdal (17:46)

Great.

Kim Ressler (17:47)

actually, yeah, they were created by humans. Now, can you dive deeper? I'll take you know, AI still has a lot of inaccuracies. It has to be very well trained. But

Natalie Tysdal (17:56)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (17:57)

I will, and I have my mind very well trained. I will enter my my report, I will show it my formula, and I'll ask ask it how accurate it is, and then I will say.

Hey, if I was dealing with with this situation or this condition or this symptom, what would you recommend? Seeing my genetics, seeing my current formula, and it'll it it'll it it will tell me. So yes, are we going to be able to continue to make it better and better and better? Yes, we will. And AI will help that. You just have to make sure that it's only sourcing true and accurate information.

Natalie Tysdal (18:31)

Yeah, for sure. Always. And we all have to remember that in everything that we use it for. So one thing that I talk a lot about here and a lot of the guests that I have on is taking control of your own health. And I'm hearing you order your own test, but then,

Kim Ressler (18:45)

Mm-hmm.

Natalie Tysdal (18:46)

you know, for me it was ordering it and then taking it to my my functional doctor.

And and all of the doctors that I use. But

Kim Ressler (18:51)

Mm-hmm.

Natalie Tysdal (18:54)

how does that play into this type of testing and having someone help you? I know that the product that you have cus is customizable, but how else does that work in taking it into your own hands and learning about your your own body and health?

Kim Ressler (19:11)

All of that time, those 11 years that I didn't feel well, I didn't know the questions to ask.

Natalie Tysdal (19:16)

Mm.

Kim Ressler (19:17)

So when we break, we break the code report back out then into you know, different reports, into the the systems of the body, detox, heart, etc. So if you are somebody that's tracking things, or you can see, hey, I've got weaknesses here, and I, hey, I'm,

Natalie Tysdal (19:32)

Mm-hmm.

Kim Ressler (19:33)

you know, in my mid-50s now, and I want, I just want to get a baseline, I know the questions to ask. Or

I'll give you a very specific. We had a lady come to us and she gets on the customized product. She reached out to me. She said, I'm not doing really well. Normally, if if they're not, and she was still struggling. And I said, Have you gone through your report to see where your biggest weaknesses are? And I said, Let's take a look at it. Her bignesses, weaknesses were in our detox pathway. At the bottom of that, that report, it says, consider requesting these.

These labs from your provider. As we were looking at it, she sees, I've already had a heavy metals test. The next one though was mold, mold metabolites. She said, Kim, I've been sick for 19 years. Nobody has ever suggested mold testing. So this isn't shaming. There's no shaming. We all know what we know when we know it, right? However, she goes, That's wild. She goes, I can't believe that. And she said, We did have mold in my house. And I said, Well,

If you did, you could have mold toxicity in your body and it could be creating problems. Guess what? I just led her to where somebody should have led her faster, sooner. And she went and did mold testing, called me, she goes, I've mold, I've got mold through. I'm not, again, SNP is not intended to be the mold protocol she needed to do. I'm the foundational product that is here to simplify, but now she knows where she's going.

That's what your genetics can give you that roadmap to get to the root cause faster.

Natalie Tysdal (21:07)

Yeah, yeah. What are some other examples? you've you've mentioned a few, but tell me a few of the other things people find in i in the testing.

Kim Ressler (21:16)

Well, it it's not just th they get to hear, they get to this isn't scary, right? The first time I saw my genetics, I was like, this is scary. because I didn't really I I have a lot of heart markers, a lot. It makes sense. It was my grandmother, my grandfather, etc., right? But now I know I know what to do. I I know what I know what to do what to watch as well. and it it's not something I obsess about.

I just make different choices. But let's let's talk to other other genes, genes that we we don't formulate on, but I can give you insight into the MCM6 gene. It tells us you you're wondering when you eat dairy, why are you getting bloated, et cetera? It tells me about your propensity to possibly have a problem with with lactose. it it same with gluten. There's genes that tell me about gluten, and you might have more of that propensity.

so I mean, there's so many that it's all of these different different systems. Some one person example, we had mold in our own home about a year ago. It was very interesting to watch three of us living here, my husband, my daughter, my myself. my husband literally was not having any reaction. My daughter was getting a sore throat every day. I on the flip side was just getting a little snot, just a little snotty.

We I had we as we thought there might be mold. I bought some really good air purifiers. When we when we tested the house, we couldn't even find the mold. Then we physically saw it. and we and I felt so bad because it my daughter, her genetics, she is more predisposed to having a higher response to that than we than than I am or that my husband is. So

Natalie Tysdal (23:09)

Even though she is a product of both of you.

Kim Ressler (23:11)

Ex exactly. Well, her

we again, we we inherit from both both of our parents. We don't get to choose, right? and yeah, she she has more genetic markers that made it more you know, that she's gonna have a more of a response. So those are just some the ultimately the genetics are it the it's your roadmap of understanding. here's my strengths, weaknesses. Vitamin D receptors are really great too.

understanding and knowing I'm not the person that can go out in the sun and take and convert it really well in my body. I have to supplement. I have to supplement daily to keep my vitamin D levels where I want to keep them. and that's another vitamin D impacts 6,000 biochemical pathways. Low and it's it's related, low vitamin D levels are related to all-cause mortality. That means when you know, when somebody is passed, I mean, a lot of times they've got low vitamin D levels.

It's bone health, it's mood, it's immune system, it's so many things. And just understanding vitamin D is not even on a standard, I mean, that's something extra when you go that they don't they don't even test. So I and

Natalie Tysdal (24:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kim Ressler (24:22)

it it really it impacts so many areas of the body. So it's just good to see. and let's let's simplify all of this so and understanding putting you in the driver's seat.

to be in charge of your health. This is what I talk to people about is your doctor is not in charge of your health. You are. But it is, I mean, let's just think it's it's complicated. It's confusing. and so if we can easily and simply lay out strengths, weaknesses, understanding, and then we can create a customized product to simplify your routine. Again, it's not magic. It's not the end all be all, but

Wow, it's amazing.

Natalie Tysdal (25:05)

Yeah. How expensive is it?

Kim Ressler (25:07)

It's not. That's my whole goal. our genetic test is $397. We test again, we are not polygenic rescoring you. I'm interested in actionable genes of yours only. We're HIPAA compliant. you get all the reports with that, access to a portal full of education, and we do live and ongoing education. And then after that, my customized product, it's $159 a month on a subscription.

Natalie Tysdal (25:35)

And that's when you think about I I don't know how many different vitamins would be in that, but I easily spend that much getting products from different places. would that take the place of many of the other other vitamins that people would be taking?

Kim Ressler (25:52)

I can pull out two of the blends, we call them blends in the formula and show you online where you'd spend $130 just for those. And they're these are actually dosed to you based off of your genetics. So yes. it and then I think one point that's really important is we third party test everything. So every single time I batch an order, we go through a batching process, retains are pulled we send it off to third party tested. This is the third time.

the ingredients in the formula have been tested for no, you know, no heavy metals, no mold, no, no mold spores, toxins, pesticides. So and it's a whole food-based product. So we start with whole foods in the base of the product and then all the genetic components are added in.

Natalie Tysdal (26:34)

And is it a powder? how do you how do you take it?

Kim Ressler (26:37)

it you can get it in raw powder format. I do not flavor it. I do not want excipients and

Natalie Tysdal (26:43)

Mm.

Kim Ressler (26:44)

things in it. so water, probably no. a protein shake, vanilla protein and a a strong like an orange juice seems to be the fan favorite. Or we can veggie cap it for you.

Natalie Tysdal (26:58)

Hmm, interesting. Wow. Well, I've learned a lot today. I I wanna be sure I I will get information from you, anyone listening thinking I need to do this. I'll put a link in the show notes to your company. And I I'm again I'm just fascinated by this whole concept. We we're not all the same. And yet

Kim Ressler (27:14)

Mm-hmm.

Natalie Tysdal (27:17)

the general health industry treats us all the same. So I love what you said is you what what was it? You are your best doctor. Are you it

Kim Ressler (27:26)

You

are. I mean, it it's

Natalie Tysdal (27:26)

You are

Kim Ressler (27:27)

gotta start, it's gotta start with you. I mean, you aren't you're not your neighbor. And that's what I get to recognize is that you are an individual and I I get to work with this most amazing technology of what the f I mean the NIH says by 2030, personalization will be the gold standard. We have

Natalie Tysdal (27:47)

Yeah.

Kim Ressler (27:47)

we have it now for foundational health. There's, you know, there's lots of great genetic testing companies out there, but that is the really

huge and wonderful thing is that we can take this and make this amazing foundational product all into one for that individual.

Natalie Tysdal (28:03)

Yeah. Well, thank you. congratulations on your your new career, finding something you love.

Kim Ressler (28:09)

Ha ha ha.

Natalie Tysdal (28:10)

And I just discovered that you have a podcast that you've started as well.

Kim Ressler (28:13)

Yeah. it's called This Might Change Your Life. And I don't believe that there's any one thing in health and wellness. It's small, simple steps. It's not this crazy new protocol that you can't

Natalie Tysdal (28:23)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kim Ressler (28:25)

stick with and stay it it's like or you know, it it's habits and it's small little habits. So I I and I love stacking modalities, whether it's, you know, infrared sauna or this or that. but I I like to talk about

small steps and and in and educating about different things because there might be one thing for you that might just be missing but I like to start with the genetics but understanding that there's a you know there's other things out there that can help or support etc.

Natalie Tysdal (28:59)

Kim, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to meet you and learn from you.

Kim Ressler (29:02)

I

and thank you, Natalie. It was great to be here.